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Very close! All the calculus infrastructure checks; only the final algebra remains. The goal after field_simp [hn0, hnsq] and ring failure shows: ⊢ √n * deriv (deriv φ) (1 + √n) * n * 4 - deriv φ (1 + √n) * n * 4 = (something, truncated) Note: field_simp rewrote `(√n + 1)` to `(1 + √n)` (add_comm normalization?) — fine, both sides. The ring failure is because expressions contain √n and 1/(2√n) forms: ring treats √n as an atom; the relation (√n)² = n was supplied to field_simp. The remaining goal involves √n and n atoms where ring can't see √n²=n — because after field_simp, goal is polynomial in atoms √n, n with hnsq needed. Solution: after field_simp, `rw [← hnsq]`? Standard trick: replace n by (√n)² everywhere? Or set s := √n and n = s²: Cleaner: ```lean field_simp [hn0] ring_nf rw [hnsq] -- or the reverse direction ring ``` Or use `ring_nf` first then rewrite hnsq occurrences then ring. Let me think about what the goal is. LHS (from hder): φ''(T)·(1/(2s))·(2s)⁻¹ + φ'(T)·(−(2·(1/(2s)))/(2s)²) where s = √n. = φ''(T)·(1/(2s))·(1/(2s)) + φ'(T)·(−(1/s)/(4s²)) = φ''/(4s²) − φ'/(4s³). RHS: (φ'' − φ'/s)/(4n) = (φ'' − φ'/s)/(4s²). Equality: φ''/(4s²) − φ'/(4s³) vs φ''/(4s²) − φ'/(4s³) ✓ with n = s², 4n = 4s², and RHS second term φ'/(s·4s²) = φ'/(4s³) ✓. So purely algebraic given s² = n. After field_simp [hn0, hnsq], the displayed goal still has both √n and n — field_simp used hnsq to clear some. The remaining identity is linear in atoms deriv φ (1+√n), deriv (deriv φ)(1+√n), with coefficients in ℚ(√n, n) satisfying √n²=n. ring can't know √n²=n. Fix: `rw [← hnsq]` to turn n's into √n² then ring. But rw [← hnsq] replaces ALL n — including the n in "√n"?? No, √n contains n as subterm: √n = Real.sqrt n — rw ← hnsq would try to replace n everywhere incl inside sqrt → infinite loop? rw replaces all occurrences simultaneously, not recursively, so √n becomes √(√n^2)?? It rewrites occurrences of `n` — including the one inside √n — producing √(√n^2). Bad. Better: generalize: set s := √n, then have hn' : n = s^2, then subst? Can't subst n (it's a local variable from the theorem, appears in √n terms). Approach: ```lean have : n = (√n)^2 := hnsq.symm conv => ... -- targeted ``` Simpler robust approach: normalize with ring_nf then use `Real.sq_sqrt` via simp: ```lean field_simp [hn0] ring_nf simp [hnsq] -- hmm ``` Alternative standard pattern: `field_simp [hn0, hnsq]; ring_nf; rw [hnsq]; ring`? After ring_nf, powers like √n^4 might appear as (√n^2)^2... messy. Cleanest: linear_combination! The goal (after field_simp) is a polynomial identity modulo s²=n. `linear_combination` with a certificate: goal LHS − RHS = (coefficient) * (√n^2 − n) perhaps. Try: ```lean field_simp [hn0] linear_combination (some_coeff) * hnsq ``` Figuring the coefficient blind is hard. Alternative: avoid field_simp altogether — prove via `field_simp`-free `ring_nf` then explicit rewriting. Hmm. Cleanest trick for such situations: introduce s as a genuine new variable: ```lean set s := √n with hs have hn_eq : n = s^2 := by rw [← hs]; exact (Real.sq_sqrt hn.le).symm ``` then need to eliminate n from the goal — n occurs both as atom and inside √n. After `set s := √n`, all √n become s; remaining n atoms can be rewritten by rw [hn_eq] — but hn_eq : n = s^2, rw [hn_eq] rewrites n → s^2 everywhere (including inside... no √n left since set folded them) ✓. Then goal is pure polynomial in s with atoms deriv φ (1+s) etc → ring closes. But careful: `set` also affects hypotheses (hder etc. already rw'd into goal ✓) and hn0 : s ≠ 0. New ending: ```lean rw [hder] set s := √n with hsdef have hs0 : s ≠ 0 := Real.sqrt_ne_zero'.2 hn have hn_eq : n = s ^ 2 := by rw [← hsdef]; exact (Real.sq_sqrt hn.le).symm rw [hn_eq] field_simp [hs0] ring ``` After rw [hn_eq], goal in s only. field_simp [hs0] clears denominators (powers of s); ring closes. The `(√n + 1)` vs `(1 + √n)` — set folds √n → s giving (s + 1) on both sides; both sides equal regardless. One concern: field_simp after rw [hn_eq] — denominators contain s and s^2; fine.
All calculus checks — only final algebra remains (ring can't see √n² = n). Fixing with `set` + substitution.
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