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The probe reveals: `Summable.sum_add_tsum_nat_add (k : ℕ) (hf : Summable f) : ∑ i ∈ Finset.range k, f i + ∑' (i : ℕ), f (i + k) = ∑' (i : ℕ), f i` — so the statement's function applications are `f i` and `f (i + k)` — with f a VARIABLE in the lemma, instantiated to our lambda — producing redexes `(fun n => body) i`. My h := hker_summ.sum_add_tsum_nat_add N — hker_summ's f is the lambda — so h : ∑ i ∈ range N, ((lambda) i) + ∑' i, ((lambda) (i+N)) = ∑' i, (lambda) i — hmm actually when Lean instantiates f := (fun n => body), the terms f i become (fun n => body) i — these DO get beta-reduced by the elaborator typically during instantiation (the elaborator beta-reduces after subst?). Apparently NOT fully — or the issue is elsewhere. Wait — the second probe result is revealing: `hf.sum_add_tsum_nat_add' k` — the PRIMED version errored with "Function expected ... has type ∑ ... + ∑' ... = ∑' ..." — meaning `sum_add_tsum_nat_add'` exists with signature NOT taking k (it derives from the shifted summable). Not relevant. So h's form: `∑ i ∈ Finset.range N, (fun ...) i + ∑' i, (fun ...) (i + N) = ∑' i, (fun ...) i` — whether the applications are beta-reduced in the stored type is the question. The simpa failure suggests h.symm's normal form ≠ my goal's normal form. What could differ? My goal's tail: `((↑(n + N) + 1) * (A + ↑(n + N) + 1))⁻¹` — hmm wait, actually looking at the error's goal: `∑' (n : ℕ), ((↑(n + N) + 1) * (A + ↑(n + N) + 1))⁻¹` — and h's tail after beta: `((↑(n+N) : ℝ) + 1) * (A + (↑(n+N):ℝ) + 1)` — wait is it? f (i + N) with f n := (((n:ℝ)+1) * (A+(n:ℝ)+1))⁻¹ — substituted: (((↑(i+N):ℝ)+1) * (A + (↑(i+N):ℝ) + 1))⁻¹ — beta-reduced form has (↑(i+N) : ℝ) — the cast of the nat sum — SAME as my ↑(n + N) ✓. The head: f i = ((↑i+1)(A+↑i+1))⁻¹ ✓ same. The main: ∑' i, f i — beta: ∑' i, ((↑i+1)(A+↑i+1))⁻¹ ✓ same as my LHS. So h.symm's beta-normal form should be EXACTLY my goal... unless simp's normal form rewrote something (e.g., simp might have rewritten the ⁻¹ or the casts or A back to w.re — A is a set-defined local def: simp might unfold A?! `set A := w.re with hA_def` — A is a local definition; simp could unfold it via hA_def?? no — simp doesn't use hA_def unless told. But — the goal shows `A` — fine. Hmm — actually WAIT. Maybe the problem: `simpa using h.symm` — if simp made progress on h.symm (beta) and the result ISN'T syntactically my goal because of the ↑↑ vs... let me look at the error goal again: `∑' (n : ℕ), ((↑(n + N) + 1) * (A + ↑(n + N) + 1))⁻¹` — single ↑(n+N). And h's tail: f (i + N) = the lambda applied to (i + N : ℕ) — beta: (((i + N : ℕ) cast to ℝ)+1)... — cast (↑(i+N):ℝ) ✓ same. OK let me just probe deeper: make the probe show me h's type EXACTLY with the lambda instantiated:
Let me probe the instantiated form directly.
tool: Write ok
input
{
  "file_path": "D:\\Python\\Quantum\\research\\lean\\NguyenRH1\\Probe.lean",
  "content": "/- probe: the instantiated form -/\nimport Mathlib\n\nopen BigOperators\n\nexample {A : \u211d} {N : \u2115} (hker_summ : Summable (fun n : \u2115 => (((n : \u211d) + 1) * (A + (n : \u211d) + 1))\u207b\u00b9)) :\n    True := by\n  have h := hker_summ.sum_add_tsum_nat_add N\n  -- print the type of h\n  trace_state\n  trivial\n"
}
result 2026-08-23 09:57:35Z → 2026-08-23 09:57:35Z
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  "content": "/- probe: the instantiated form -/\nimport Mathlib\n\nopen BigOperators\n\nexample {A : \u211d} {N : \u2115} (hker_summ : Summable (fun n : \u2115 => (((n : \u211d) + 1) * (A + (n : \u211d) + 1))\u207b\u00b9)) :\n    True := by\n  have h := hker_summ.sum_add_tsum_nat_add N\n  -- print the type of h\n  trace_state\n  trivial\n",
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        "-/- probe: the exact form of Summable.sum_add_tsum_nat_add -/",
        "+/- probe: the instantiated form -/",
        " import Mathlib",
        " ",
        "-example : True := by",
        "+open BigOperators",
        "+",
        "+example {A : \u211d} {N : \u2115} (hker_summ : Summable (fun n : \u2115 => (((n : \u211d) + 1) * (A + (n : \u211d) + 1))\u207b\u00b9)) :",
        "+    True := by",
        "+  have h := hker_summ.sum_add_tsum_nat_add N",
        "+  -- print the type of h",
        "+  trace_state",
        "   trivial",
        " ",
        "-#check (fun (f : \u2115 \u2192 \u211d) (k : \u2115) (hf : Summable f) => hf.sum_add_tsum_nat_add k)",
        "-#check (fun (f : \u2115 \u2192 \u211d) (k : \u2115) (hf : Summable f) => hf.sum_add_tsum_nat_add' k)",
        "-#check @Summable.sum_add_tsum_nat_add",
        "-"
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