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Line 2399:6 is the `linarith [hn0]` after the rw+one_mul chain in hbridge. The isDefEq timeout there — linarith [hn0] on the goal `1 * (2 * n) < 1 * (3 * n)` — after one_mul both sides: `2n < 3n` — linarith [hn0] should close instantly. The isDefEq timeout at 2399:6 — hmm — linarith's preprocessing normalizes the goal with `1 * (2*n) < 1 * (3*n)` — one_mul already applied — so the goal is `2n < 3n` — trivial. Why timeout?! Wait — maybe the `rw [div_lt_div_iff₀ ...]` at 2397-2398 didn't produce `1·(2n) < 1·(3n)` but something with `↑` casts or a different form, and linarith loops. OR the timeout is actually at the FINAL linarith (2400) with the error reported at the wrong line (2399:6 vs 2400:4?). The error said `2399:6` — col 6 — the `linarith [hn0]` at 2399. Hmm — let me reconsider: maybe div_lt_div_iff₀'s rw created `1 * (2 * n) < 1 * (3 * n)` — and `one_mul, one_mul` rewrote to `2n < 3n` ✓ — then `linarith [hn0]` — hn0 : 0 < n — linarith closes 2n < 3n ✓ trivial. UNLESS the `1 *` didn't fully reduce and linarith chokes on `↑(1 * (2 * n)) < ...` with real-vs-nat cast issues — hn0 : 0 < n with n : ℝ ✓. Actually — WAIT. Let me reconsider the whole thing. Maybe the loop is the FINAL linarith at 2400 with hbridge in a form linarith can't handle (the div forms with reciprocal atoms + 12 hypotheses) — the original proof's linarith at the same spot took some time but passed. With hbridge added (reciprocal forms), linarith might loop. Let me check the timeouts more carefully: - 2166:0 whnf timeout — that's the lt_three's `exact div_lt_div_of_pos_right hb h4n` at 2163 (whnf loop in the exact's unification with the huge bracket form — at 800000 it STILL times out!). Hmm — that suggests the unification genuinely loops, not just slow. div_lt_div_of_pos_right hb h4n where hb : HUGE < 4/3: produces HUGE/(4n) < (4/3)/(4n) — and the goal is `deriv (deriv IIMaj) n < (4/3)/(4n)` — WAIT!!! The goal is `deriv (deriv IIMaj) n < (4/3)/(4n)` after `rw [e]` — but the goal BEFORE rw [e] was `deriv (deriv IIMaj) n < 1/(3n)` — and the FIRST rws (hId, chain_rule_sqrt, deriv_psiTilde, deriv2_psiTilde) at 2153-2154 rewrote the LHS to the bracket forms — so the goal at the time of `rw [e]` is `(bracket-forms) < 1/(3n)`?? — no wait — chain_rule_sqrt gives LHS = (ψ″(√n) − ψ′(√n)/√n)/(4n) — and then deriv_psiTilde/deriv2_psiTilde rewrite ψ′/ψ″ to closed forms: LHS = (closedψ″(√n) − closedψ′(√n)/√n)/(4n). So the goal is `(closedψ″(√n) − closedψ′(√n)/√n)/(4n) < 1/(3n)`. Then `rw [e]` : `... < (4/3)/(4n)`. Then `exact div_lt_div_of_pos_right hb h4n` : HUGE/(4n) < (4/3)/(4n) — the unification: (closedψ″(√n) − closedψ′(√n)/√n)/(4n) ≡ HUGE/(4n) ⟺ closedψ″(√n) − closedψ′(√n)/√n ≡ HUGE — these should match syntactically (they're the same forms modulo iimA/iimB/iimA² notation — deriv_psiTilde's closed form has `iimA`/`iimB` ✓ and hb's has `iimA`/`iimB` ✓ — with `Real.exp (-iimA * √n)` matching `Real.exp (-a * s)` — WAIT — hb's iimaj_bracket_bound uses `s` (the variable) — hb := iimaj_bracket_bound (Real.sqrt_le_sqrt hn) — hs : √20 ≤ √n — so hb's form has `s := √n`?? — NO — iimaj_bracket_bound's statement is about `s : ℝ` with the hypothesis `Real.sqrt 20 ≤ s` — the lemma's CONCLUSION is in terms of `s` (the universally quantified variable) — when I apply it to `Real.sqrt_le_sqrt hn : √20 ≤ √n`, s gets instantiated to √n ✓ — so hb's form has √n everywhere ✓ matching the closed forms ✓. Hmm — so why whnf timeout? Let me test by reverting the lt_three's exact to the ORIGINAL form (with < 2 bracket and < 1/(2n) statement) to see if the ORIGINAL still compiles — that isolates whether my changes broke it or something environmental. Actually — wait. I just realized: maybe the issue is that iimaj_bracket_bound's PROOF has `set_option maxHeartbeats 800000 in` — and the proof of iimaj_bracket_bound itself is now FAILING to elaborate (the < 4/3 statement + its proof with the unchanged calc ending `4.56·1.2237·0.2124·1.1099 < 4/3 := by norm_num` — maybe norm_num can't prove `4.56·1.2237·0.2124·1.1099 < 4/3` and TIMES OUT evaluating the product?! — 4.56·1.2237·0.2124·1.1099 = 1.31547 < 1.33333 — norm_num should evaluate the literal product instantly... — unless the product form `4.56 * 1.2237 * 0.2124 * 1.1099 < 4 / 3` with the 4/3 division trips norm_num's arithmetic normalization into a loop. Let me test norm_num on `4.56·1.2237·0.2124·1.1099 < 4/3` in a scratch — quick probe.
Probing whether `norm_num` can evaluate the bracket's final constant comparison.
tool: Bash ok
input
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  "command": "cd D:/Python/Quantum/research/lean/NguyenRH1 && cat > Scratch.lean <<'EOF'\nimport Mathlib\nexample : (4.56 : \u211d) * 1.2237 * 0.2124 * 1.1099 < 4 / 3 := by norm_num\nexample : (4.56 : \u211d) * 1.2237 * 0.2124 * 1.1099 < 2 := by norm_num\nEOF\nexport PATH=\"$HOME/.elan/bin:$PATH\" && lake env lean Scratch.lean 2>&1 | head -8",
  "description": "Probe norm_num on the bracket constant comparisons",
  "timeout": 120000
}
result 2026-08-26 11:31:13Z → 2026-08-26 11:31:34Z
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The error said `2399:6` — col 6 — the `linarith [hn0]` at 2399.\n\nHmm — let me reconsider: maybe div_lt_div_iff₀'s rw created `1 * (2 * n) < 1 * (3 * n)` — and `one_mul, one_mul` rewrote to `2n < 3n` ✓ — then `linarith [hn0]` — hn0 : 0 < n — linarith closes 2n < 3n ✓ trivial. UNLESS the `1 *` didn't fully reduce and linarith chokes on `↑(1 * (2 * n)) < ...` with real-vs-nat cast issues — hn0 : 0 < n with n : ℝ ✓.\n\nActually — WAIT. Let me reconsider the whole thing. Maybe the loop is the FINAL linarith at 2400 with hbridge in a form linarith can't handle (the div forms with reciprocal atoms + 12 hypotheses) — the original proof's linarith at the same spot took some time but passed. With hbridge added (reciprocal forms), linarith might loop.\n\nLet me check the timeouts more carefully:\n- 2166:0 whnf timeout — that's the lt_three's `exact div_lt_div_of_pos_right hb h4n` at 2163 (whnf loop in the exact's unification with the huge bracket form — at 800000 it STILL times out!). Hmm — that suggests the unification genuinely loops, not just slow. div_lt_div_of_pos_right hb h4n where hb : HUGE < 4/3: produces HUGE/(4n) < (4/3)/(4n) — and the goal is `deriv (deriv IIMaj) n < (4/3)/(4n)` — WAIT!!! The goal is `deriv (deriv IIMaj) n < (4/3)/(4n)` after `rw [e]` — but the goal BEFORE rw [e] was `deriv (deriv IIMaj) n < 1/(3n)` — and the FIRST rws (hId, chain_rule_sqrt, deriv_psiTilde, deriv2_psiTilde) at 2153-2154 rewrote the LHS to the bracket forms — so the goal at the time of `rw [e]` is `(bracket-forms) < 1/(3n)`?? — no wait — chain_rule_sqrt gives LHS = (ψ″(√n) − ψ′(√n)/√n)/(4n) — and then deriv_psiTilde/deriv2_psiTilde rewrite ψ′/ψ″ to closed forms: LHS = (closedψ″(√n) − closedψ′(√n)/√n)/(4n). So the goal is `(closedψ″(√n) − closedψ′(√n)/√n)/(4n) < 1/(3n)`. Then `rw [e]` : `... < (4/3)/(4n)`. Then `exact div_lt_div_of_pos_right hb h4n` : HUGE/(4n) < (4/3)/(4n) — the unification: (closedψ″(√n) − closedψ′(√n)/√n)/(4n) ≡ HUGE/(4n) ⟺ closedψ″(√n) − closedψ′(√n)/√n ≡ HUGE — these should match syntactically (they're the same forms modulo iimA/iimB/iimA² notation — deriv_psiTilde's closed form has `iimA`/`iimB` ✓ and hb's has `iimA`/`iimB` ✓ — with `Real.exp (-iimA * √n)` matching `Real.exp (-a * s)` — WAIT — hb's iimaj_bracket_bound uses `s` (the variable) — hb := iimaj_bracket_bound (Real.sqrt_le_sqrt hn) — hs : √20 ≤ √n — so hb's form has `s := √n`?? — NO — iimaj_bracket_bound's statement is about `s : ℝ` with the hypothesis `Real.sqrt 20 ≤ s` — the lemma's CONCLUSION is in terms of `s` (the universally quantified variable) — when I apply it to `Real.sqrt_le_sqrt hn : √20 ≤ √n`, s gets instantiated to √n ✓ — so hb's form has √n everywhere ✓ matching the closed forms ✓.\n\nHmm — so why whnf timeout? 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