← Session 17 — Lean tier (i): elementary proofs (after crash)
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The `convert h using 2 <;> ring` fails with "ring_nf made no progress" — maybe the goal after convert is closed by convert itself and ring has nothing? No — "made no progress" means ring RAN but couldn't. The convert might have produced a goal with `iimA` still folded on one side? I unfolded iimA iimB at the goal — the goal's derivative value has -(2*log2−1/2) etc unfolded ✓. h's value: 4.56*(1*(eA+eB) + (x+1)*(eA*−(2log2−1/2) + eB*−(2log2))) — hmm wait, after the mul_one rewrites in hva/hvb, their derivatives are exp(−a x) * −(2log2−1/2) — the negation placement: `Real.exp (...) * -(2 * Real.log 2 - 1 / 2)` ✓.
Goal value: 4.56 * ((eA + eB) + (x + 1) * (-(2log2−1/2) * eA − (2log2) * eB)) — the target (from the theorem statement, unfolded): `4.56 * ((Real.exp (−a x) + Real.exp (−b x)) + (x + 1) * (−a * Real.exp (−a x) − b * Real.exp (−b x)))` where a := 2log2−1/2 unfolded.
h's value: 4.56 * (1*(eA + eB) + (x+1)*(eA*(−a) + eB*(−b))).
ring should prove: (eA + eB) + (x+1)*(−a*eA − b*eB) vs 1*(eA+eB) + (x+1)*(eA*(−a) + eB*(−b)) ✓ pure ring identity in atoms eA, eB, a-parts... ✓ should work!
Unless — the convert's OTHER goal (function equality) got `<;> ring` and failed: function: goal (unfolded psiTilde): fun t => 4.56 * ((t+1) * (exp(−a t) + exp(−b t))) vs h's fun y => 4.56 * ((t+1) y... after simp only [Pi.add_apply, Pi.mul_apply] — should be fun y => 4.56 * ((y+1) * (exp(−a y) + exp(−b y))) ✓ syntactically equal — convert closes it automatically. So remaining = value goal — ring should close...
"ring_nf made no progress" TWICE at 1032 — two goals both failing. Hmm — maybe convert produced the goals in REVERSE (value first closed?) and two goals remain that ring can't touch: e.g., `HEq`-style or the exp function mismatches: goal function: exp(−(2log2−1/2)*t) vs h's exp(−(2log2−1/2)*t) ✓...
Wait — maybe the issue: `-(2 * Real.log 2 - 1 / 2) * t` in hva vs goal's `-(2 * Real.log 2 - 1 / 2) * x`-family ✓ same...
Actually, maybe the problem is in `unfold psiTilde iimA iimB` — unfold of iimA/iimB INSIDE the exponent: goal derivative value has `-iimA * Real.exp (-iimA * x)` — unfold iimA gives `-(2*log2−1/2) * Real.exp (-(2*log2−1/2)*x)`?? wait `-(iimA) * exp(-iimA * x)` — the negations: statement: `(-iimA * Real.exp (-iimA * x) - iimB * Real.exp (-iimB * x))` — iimA unfolds everywhere ✓.
Hmm, hard to diagnose blind. Change approach: replace `convert h using 2 <;> ring` with explicit equality have + rwa:
```lean
have h := (hu.mul (hva.add hvb)).const_mul 4.56
simp only [Pi.add_apply, Pi.mul_apply] at h
have e : 4.56 * (1 * (Real.exp (-(2 * Real.log 2 - 1 / 2) * x) +
Real.exp (-(2 * Real.log 2) * x)) +
(x + 1) * (Real.exp (-(2 * Real.log 2 - 1 / 2) * x) * -(2 * Real.log 2 - 1 / 2) +
Real.exp (-(2 * Real.log 2) * x) * -(2 * Real.log 2))) =
4.56 * ((Real.exp (-(2 * Real.log 2 - 1 / 2) * x) + Real.exp (-(2 * Real.log 2) * x)) +
(x + 1) * (-(2 * Real.log 2 - 1 / 2) * Real.exp (-(2 * Real.log 2 - 1 / 2) * x) -
(2 * Real.log 2) * Real.exp (-(2 * Real.log 2) * x))) := by ring
rwa [e] at h
```
This requires h's derivative to be EXACTLY e's LHS — after simp only, h : HasDerivAt (fun y => 4.56 * ((y+1)*(eA y + eB y))) (4.56 * (1*(eA+eB) + (x+1)*(eA*−a + eB*−b))) x ✓ matches e's LHS ✓. And rwa [e] at h → h has e's RHS = the goal's (unfolded) value ✓ then assumption: h's function fun y => 4.56*((y+1)*(...)) vs goal's fun t => 4.56 * ((t+1)*(...)) ✓ syntactically equal (alpha) ✓.
But wait — will the mul results give `1 * (eA + eB)` or `(1 : ℝ) * (...)`? hu.mul gives f'*g x + f x * g' = 1 * (eA+eB) + (x+1)*(...) ✓.
If rwa still mismatches, the error will show the delta clearly. Let me apply this pattern to both hasDerivAt_psiTilde and deriv2_psiTilde's h2. For deriv2's h2, h's value: 4.56 * ((eA*−a + eB*−b) + (1*(−a eA − b eB)... wait hz = hu.mul hg: z' = 1 * g x + (x+1) * g' where g x = −a*eA − b*eB (as const_mul/sub results: (−a)*(eA) − (b)*(eB)? hva.const_mul (−a): fun t => −a * eA t?? HasDerivAt.const_mul c h : fun x => c * f x ✓ derivative c * f' = −a * (eA x * −a)... hmm const_mul's derivative: c * f' — f' = eA x * −(2log2−1/2) — so (−a) * (eA x * −a) and sub: − (b * (eB x * −b)) — hg's derivative: (−a)*(eA*−a) − b*(eB*−b). hz derivative: 1 * ((−a)*eA − b*eB)?? no — hu.mul hg: f = fun t => t+1 (f'=1), g = hg's function: fun t => (−a)*eA t − b*eB t; z' = 1 * g x + (x+1) * g' = g x + (x+1)*((−a)*(eA x*−a) − b*(eB x*−b)).
hw.add hz derivative: (eA*−a + eB*−b) + (g x + (x+1)*((−a)*(eA*−a) − b*(eB*−b))).
const_mul 4.56 ✓.
Target: 4.56 * (2*(−a eA − b eB) + (x+1)*(a²eA + b²eB)) — ring identity in atoms {eA, eB, log2, x} ✓ ((−a)*(eA*−a) = a²eA with a = 2log2−1/2 as compound atom — ring treats (2*log2−1/2) as... it's not an atom — it's a compound expression with log 2 the atom: ring normalizes polynomials in {log 2, x, eA, eB} ✓ (−(2L−1/2))·(−(2L−1/2)) = (2L−1/2)² ✓ both sides ring-normalize identically ✓.
So e for deriv2:
4.56 * ((eA*−a + eB*−b) + (1*((−a)*eA − b*eB) + (x+1)*((−a)*(eA*−a) − b*(eB*−b)))) = target
where I must write the exact shapes... this is getting really error-prone. Alternative that avoids guessing h's exact derivative shape: use `convert h using 2` WITHOUT <;> ring, then deal with the resulting goal interactively — but blind. Better: `refine (h.congr_of_eventuallyEq ?_).?? ` no.
Cleanest robust approach: `exact h.convert?? ` no. Use: `apply HasDerivAt.congr_of_const h?? ` — there is `HasDerivAt.congr_of_const : HasDerivAt f f' x → f' = g' → HasDerivAt f g' x`? Hmm — there IS `HasDerivAt.congr_of_eventuallyEq` (function) and for the value... simplest: prove HasDerivAt with the EXACT h-shape as intermediate theorem? No — just use convert with explicit goal display...
Actually — cleanest: `convert h using 2` then `· rfl`-close function goal, then value goal: use `ring_nf` to see... blind again.
Pragmatic: keep `convert h using 2 <;> ring` but figure out WHY ring fails. The "ring_nf made no progress" error appears when ring_nf is CALLED on a goal it can't normalize — e.g., a goal that's NOT an equation in a commutative ring — like a HasDerivAt goal! So convert left a HasDerivAt-typed goal (using 2 wasn't enough to expose the value eq)?? convert h using 2 on goal `HasDerivAt psiTilde-unfolded-fun V x` vs h `HasDerivAt hf hv x`: congruence on HasDerivAt: args (f, f', x): using 2 should leave 2 goals: fun-eq and val-eq (x shared). If the function parts DON'T unify definitionally, convert leaves a function-equality goal `fun t => ... = fun y => ...` — ring can't do that → "ring_nf made no progress" ✓ THIS is it. The function goal isn't closing: after simp only [Pi.add_apply, Pi.mul_apply], h's function is `fun y => 4.56 * ((fun t => t + 1) y * ...)`? — Pi.mul_apply should rewrite ((fun t => t+1) * (..)) y → (fun t => t+1) y * (..) y → and beta? simp only doesn't beta-reduce unless `Function.comp`... beta is a simproc in simp only? `simp only` includes beta/eta by default ✓. Hmm.
OR the goal's function after `unfold psiTilde iimA iimB` — the psiTilde body: `4.56 * ((x + 1) * (Real.exp (-iimA * x) + Real.exp (-iimB * x)))` with x the BOUND variable of HasDerivAt's lambda — unfold gives `fun x => 4.56 * (...)` — and h's: `fun y => 4.56 * ((y+1)*(exp y-stuff + exp y-stuff))` — should be alpha-equal...
Wait — actually, is `unfold` unfolding psiTilde inside the STATEMENT `HasDerivAt psiTilde V x`? psiTilde is a def applied as a function — HasDerivAt psiTilde — unfold psiTilde turns it into HasDerivAt (fun s => 4.56 * (...)) ✓.
Hmm, but maybe the mismatch: h's function from hu.mul (hva.add hvb): (fun t => t+1) * ((fun t => eA t) + (fun t => eB t)) as Pi.mul of Pi.add — after const_mul: fun y => 4.56 * (((fun t => t+1) * ((eA-fun) + (eB-fun))) y)?? — the const_mul wraps the WHOLE product as its own lambda: fun y => 4.56 * ((f*g) y) — then simp only [Pi.mul_apply]: (f*g) y → f y * g y ✓ and Pi.add_apply ✓ and beta ✓ giving fun y => 4.56 * ((y+1) * (eA y + eB y)) ✓ SHOULD match...
Unless hva.add hvb produced `HAdd.hAdd f g` via instance HAdd (not Pi.add directly but Function instance)... Pi.add_apply covers.
I'm going in circles blind. Faster: test interactively what the goals are — write a tiny probe: replace `convert h using 2 <;> ring` with `convert h using 2` and read the goals from the error output (unsolved goals will be printed).
Let me see what `convert` actually leaves by removing the `<;> ring`.
tool: Edit
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"old_string": " have h := (hu.mul (hva.add hvb)).const_mul 4.56\n simp only [Pi.add_apply, Pi.mul_apply] at h\n convert h using 2 <;> ring\n\n/-- [PROVED session 011] deriv \u03c8\u0303 = the closed D1 form. -/",
"new_string": " have h := (hu.mul (hva.add hvb)).const_mul 4.56\n simp only [Pi.add_apply, Pi.mul_apply] at h\n convert h using 2\n\n/-- [PROVED session 011] deriv \u03c8\u0303 = the closed D1 form. -/"
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I unfolded iimA iimB at the goal — the goal's derivative value has -(2*log2−1/2) etc unfolded ✓. h's value: 4.56*(1*(eA+eB) + (x+1)*(eA*−(2log2−1/2) + eB*−(2log2))) — hmm wait, after the mul_one rewrites in hva/hvb, their derivatives are exp(−a x) * −(2log2−1/2) — the negation placement: `Real.exp (...) * -(2 * Real.log 2 - 1 / 2)` ✓.\n\nGoal value: 4.56 * ((eA + eB) + (x + 1) * (-(2log2−1/2) * eA − (2log2) * eB)) — the target (from the theorem statement, unfolded): `4.56 * ((Real.exp (−a x) + Real.exp (−b x)) + (x + 1) * (−a * Real.exp (−a x) − b * Real.exp (−b x)))` where a := 2log2−1/2 unfolded.\n\nh's value: 4.56 * (1*(eA + eB) + (x+1)*(eA*(−a) + eB*(−b))).\n\nring should prove: (eA + eB) + (x+1)*(−a*eA − b*eB) vs 1*(eA+eB) + (x+1)*(eA*(−a) + eB*(−b)) ✓ pure ring identity in atoms eA, eB, a-parts... ✓ should work!\n\nUnless — the convert's OTHER goal (function equality) got `<;> ring` and failed: function: goal (unfolded psiTilde): fun t => 4.56 * ((t+1) * (exp(−a t) + exp(−b t))) vs h's fun y => 4.56 * ((t+1) y... after simp only [Pi.add_apply, Pi.mul_apply] — should be fun y => 4.56 * ((y+1) * (exp(−a y) + exp(−b y))) ✓ syntactically equal — convert closes it automatically. So remaining = value goal — ring should close...\n\n\"ring_nf made no progress\" TWICE at 1032 — two goals both failing. Hmm — maybe convert produced the goals in REVERSE (value first closed?) and two goals remain that ring can't touch: e.g., `HEq`-style or the exp function mismatches: goal function: exp(−(2log2−1/2)*t) vs h's exp(−(2log2−1/2)*t) ✓...\n\nWait — maybe the issue: `-(2 * Real.log 2 - 1 / 2) * t` in hva vs goal's `-(2 * Real.log 2 - 1 / 2) * x`-family ✓ same...\n\nActually, maybe the problem is in `unfold psiTilde iimA iimB` — unfold of iimA/iimB INSIDE the exponent: goal derivative value has `-iimA * Real.exp (-iimA * x)` — unfold iimA gives `-(2*log2−1/2) * Real.exp (-(2*log2−1/2)*x)`?? wait `-(iimA) * exp(-iimA * x)` — the negations: statement: `(-iimA * Real.exp (-iimA * x) - iimB * Real.exp (-iimB * x))` — iimA unfolds everywhere ✓.\n\nHmm, hard to diagnose blind. Change approach: replace `convert h using 2 <;> ring` with explicit equality have + rwa:\n\n```lean\n have h := (hu.mul (hva.add hvb)).const_mul 4.56\n simp only [Pi.add_apply, Pi.mul_apply] at h\n have e : 4.56 * (1 * (Real.exp (-(2 * Real.log 2 - 1 / 2) * x) +\n Real.exp (-(2 * Real.log 2) * x)) +\n (x + 1) * (Real.exp (-(2 * Real.log 2 - 1 / 2) * x) * -(2 * Real.log 2 - 1 / 2) +\n Real.exp (-(2 * Real.log 2) * x) * -(2 * Real.log 2))) =\n 4.56 * ((Real.exp (-(2 * Real.log 2 - 1 / 2) * x) + Real.exp (-(2 * Real.log 2) * x)) +\n (x + 1) * (-(2 * Real.log 2 - 1 / 2) * Real.exp (-(2 * Real.log 2 - 1 / 2) * x) -\n (2 * Real.log 2) * Real.exp (-(2 * Real.log 2) * x))) := by ring\n rwa [e] at h\n```\nThis requires h's derivative to be EXACTLY e's LHS — after simp only, h : HasDerivAt (fun y => 4.56 * ((y+1)*(eA y + eB y))) (4.56 * (1*(eA+eB) + (x+1)*(eA*−a + eB*−b))) x ✓ matches e's LHS ✓. And rwa [e] at h → h has e's RHS = the goal's (unfolded) value ✓ then assumption: h's function fun y => 4.56*((y+1)*(...)) vs goal's fun t => 4.56 * ((t+1)*(...)) ✓ syntactically equal (alpha) ✓.\n\nBut wait — will the mul results give `1 * (eA + eB)` or `(1 : ℝ) * (...)`? hu.mul gives f'*g x + f x * g' = 1 * (eA+eB) + (x+1)*(...) ✓.\n\nIf rwa still mismatches, the error will show the delta clearly. Let me apply this pattern to both hasDerivAt_psiTilde and deriv2_psiTilde's h2. For deriv2's h2, h's value: 4.56 * ((eA*−a + eB*−b) + (1*(−a eA − b eB)... wait hz = hu.mul hg: z' = 1 * g x + (x+1) * g' where g x = −a*eA − b*eB (as const_mul/sub results: (−a)*(eA) − (b)*(eB)? hva.const_mul (−a): fun t => −a * eA t?? HasDerivAt.const_mul c h : fun x => c * f x ✓ derivative c * f' = −a * (eA x * −a)... hmm const_mul's derivative: c * f' — f' = eA x * −(2log2−1/2) — so (−a) * (eA x * −a) and sub: − (b * (eB x * −b)) — hg's derivative: (−a)*(eA*−a) − b*(eB*−b). hz derivative: 1 * ((−a)*eA − b*eB)?? no — hu.mul hg: f = fun t => t+1 (f'=1), g = hg's function: fun t => (−a)*eA t − b*eB t; z' = 1 * g x + (x+1) * g' = g x + (x+1)*((−a)*(eA x*−a) − b*(eB x*−b)).\nhw.add hz derivative: (eA*−a + eB*−b) + (g x + (x+1)*((−a)*(eA*−a) − b*(eB*−b))).\nconst_mul 4.56 ✓.\nTarget: 4.56 * (2*(−a eA − b eB) + (x+1)*(a²eA + b²eB)) — ring identity in atoms {eA, eB, log2, x} ✓ ((−a)*(eA*−a) = a²eA with a = 2log2−1/2 as compound atom — ring treats (2*log2−1/2) as... it's not an atom — it's a compound expression with log 2 the atom: ring normalizes polynomials in {log 2, x, eA, eB} ✓ (−(2L−1/2))·(−(2L−1/2)) = (2L−1/2)² ✓ both sides ring-normalize identically ✓.\n\nSo e for deriv2:\n 4.56 * ((eA*−a + eB*−b) + (1*((−a)*eA − b*eB) + (x+1)*((−a)*(eA*−a) − b*(eB*−b)))) = target\nwhere I must write the exact shapes... this is getting really error-prone. Alternative that avoids guessing h's exact derivative shape: use `convert h using 2` WITHOUT <;> ring, then deal with the resulting goal interactively — but blind. Better: `refine (h.congr_of_eventuallyEq ?_).?? ` no.\n\nCleanest robust approach: `exact h.convert?? ` no. Use: `apply HasDerivAt.congr_of_const h?? ` — there is `HasDerivAt.congr_of_const : HasDerivAt f f' x → f' = g' → HasDerivAt f g' x`? Hmm — there IS `HasDerivAt.congr_of_eventuallyEq` (function) and for the value... simplest: prove HasDerivAt with the EXACT h-shape as intermediate theorem? No — just use convert with explicit goal display... \n\nActually — cleanest: `convert h using 2` then `· rfl`-close function goal, then value goal: use `ring_nf` to see... blind again.\n\nPragmatic: keep `convert h using 2 <;> ring` but figure out WHY ring fails. The \"ring_nf made no progress\" error appears when ring_nf is CALLED on a goal it can't normalize — e.g., a goal that's NOT an equation in a commutative ring — like a HasDerivAt goal! So convert left a HasDerivAt-typed goal (using 2 wasn't enough to expose the value eq)?? convert h using 2 on goal `HasDerivAt psiTilde-unfolded-fun V x` vs h `HasDerivAt hf hv x`: congruence on HasDerivAt: args (f, f', x): using 2 should leave 2 goals: fun-eq and val-eq (x shared). If the function parts DON'T unify definitionally, convert leaves a function-equality goal `fun t => ... = fun y => ...` — ring can't do that → \"ring_nf made no progress\" ✓ THIS is it. The function goal isn't closing: after simp only [Pi.add_apply, Pi.mul_apply], h's function is `fun y => 4.56 * ((fun t => t + 1) y * ...)`? — Pi.mul_apply should rewrite ((fun t => t+1) * (..)) y → (fun t => t+1) y * (..) y → and beta? simp only doesn't beta-reduce unless `Function.comp`... beta is a simproc in simp only? `simp only` includes beta/eta by default ✓. Hmm.\n\nOR the goal's function after `unfold psiTilde iimA iimB` — the psiTilde body: `4.56 * ((x + 1) * (Real.exp (-iimA * x) + Real.exp (-iimB * x)))` with x the BOUND variable of HasDerivAt's lambda — unfold gives `fun x => 4.56 * (...)` — and h's: `fun y => 4.56 * ((y+1)*(exp y-stuff + exp y-stuff))` — should be alpha-equal...\n\nWait — actually, is `unfold` unfolding psiTilde inside the STATEMENT `HasDerivAt psiTilde V x`? psiTilde is a def applied as a function — HasDerivAt psiTilde — unfold psiTilde turns it into HasDerivAt (fun s => 4.56 * (...)) ✓.\n\nHmm, but maybe the mismatch: h's function from hu.mul (hva.add hvb): (fun t => t+1) * ((fun t => eA t) + (fun t => eB t)) as Pi.mul of Pi.add — after const_mul: fun y => 4.56 * (((fun t => t+1) * ((eA-fun) + (eB-fun))) y)?? — the const_mul wraps the WHOLE product as its own lambda: fun y => 4.56 * ((f*g) y) — then simp only [Pi.mul_apply]: (f*g) y → f y * g y ✓ and Pi.add_apply ✓ and beta ✓ giving fun y => 4.56 * ((y+1) * (eA y + eB y)) ✓ SHOULD match...\n\nUnless hva.add hvb produced `HAdd.hAdd f g` via instance HAdd (not Pi.add directly but Function instance)... Pi.add_apply covers.\n\nI'm going in circles blind. Faster: test interactively what the goals are — write a tiny probe: replace `convert h using 2 <;> ring` with `convert h using 2` and read the goals from the error output (unsolved goals will be printed).","signature":""},{"type":"text","text":"Let me see what `convert` actually leaves by removing the `<;> ring`."},{"type":"tool_use","id":"Edit_175","name":"Edit","input":{"file_path":"D:\\Python\\Quantum\\research\\lean\\NguyenRH1\\NguyenRH1\\LiSkeleton.lean","old_string":" have h := (hu.mul (hva.add hvb)).const_mul 4.56\n simp only [Pi.add_apply, Pi.mul_apply] at h\n convert h using 2 <;> ring\n\n/-- [PROVED session 011] deriv ψ̃ = the closed D1 form. -/","new_string":" have h := (hu.mul (hva.add hvb)).const_mul 4.56\n simp only [Pi.add_apply, Pi.mul_apply] at h\n convert h using 2\n\n/-- [PROVED session 011] deriv ψ̃ = the closed D1 form. -/"},"extra_content":null}]