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STILL the same — "case hsplit" at 275:2 with the unchanged goal. The convert left NO residual visible — the goal is the ORIGINAL hsplit statement. This is bizarre. Position 275:2 — the series-case bullet. Hmm — wait. "case hsplit"?? There's NO case named hsplit from by_cases (those are pos/neg). What if `hsplit` here refers to a goal TAG created by... `have hsplit : X := by ...` — the have's tactic block gets the goal with tag... no.
Hold on — let me reconsider: maybe the error is NOT from my hsplit's proof at all! Position 275:2 is the series-case bullet `·`. What if the elaborator is failing EARLIER — the `have hsplit : <statement>` — maybe the STATEMENT itself fails to elaborate (e.g., the `(n + N : ℕ)` coercions or something) and... no, statement errors would show differently.
Actually — WAIT. I bet I understand now: the `set N := ⌈w.re⌉₊ with hN_def` — and in hsplit I reference N — fine. But `hker_summ.sum_add_tsum_nat_add N` — the N argument — is the set-bound local def N — and the lemma produces the split at k := N — and h's finite sum is over range N with N the local def... and the GOAL's N — the same local def ✓.
You know what — let me stop fighting this specific rewrite and prove the split DIFFERENTLY — via `Summable.tsum_eq_add_tsum_...`? or bypass entirely using the dominated approach: the inequality I actually need. Alternative split-free route to hkernel_bound:
∑' kernel ≤ (2 + log(A+1))/A — prove via: ∑' kernel = sup of partial sums (nonneg series): `tsum_le_of_sum_range_le`?? or `tsum_le_of_sum_le (hf : 0 ≤ f) (h : ∀ s : Finset ℕ, ∑ i ∈ s, f i ≤ c) : ∑' i, f i ≤ c`? — `tsum_le_of_sum_le` exists? There's `Summable.tsum_le_of_sum_le`? hmm — for nonneg f: ∑' f = sup over finite sums — lemmas: `tsum_le_of_sum_le (hf : Summable f) (h : ∀ s, ∑ i ∈ s, f i ≤ c)`? something like `Summable.tsum_le_of_sum_le`. If I bound EVERY finite partial sum: ∑_{n ∈ s} kernel n ≤ (1 + log(A+1))/A + 1/A?? — the finite set s ⊂ ℕ: split s into s ∩ [0,N) and s ∩ [N,∞): the head ≤ ∑_{n<N} kernel ≤ (1+log N)/A (hhead) ✓; the tail over s ∩ [N,∞): ≤ ∑'_{n≥N} ≤ 1/N (the telescope tsum bound — via the tail htail which itself doesn't need hsplit — htail bounds the tsum of the shifted... hmm htail's statement IS about ∑' shifted — its proof used tsum_le_tsum directly (no hsplit) ✓. So:
∑_{n∈s} kernel n = ∑_{s∩[0,N)} + ∑_{s∩[N,∞)} ≤ hhead-bound + htail-tail... the finite tail ≤ the infinite tail tsum: `sum_le_tsum (s : Finset) (hf : ∀ n ∉ s, 0 ≤ f n) (hg : Summable f) : ∑ n ∈ s, f n ≤ ∑' n, f n` ✓ EXISTS (sum_le_tsum). So:
```
have hkernel_bound : ... := by
-- ∑' kernel ≤ via partial sums
refine (hker_summ.tsum_le_of_sum_le'??)...
```
Hmm — `tsum_le_of_sum_le`: `theorem tsum_le_of_sum_le (hf : Summable f) (h : ∀ s : Finset ι, ∑ i ∈ s, f i ≤ c) : ∑' i, f i ≤ c` — I believe `tsum_le_of_sum_le` exists (Topology/Algebra/InfiniteSum/Order.lean). Then for each finite s: ∑_{n∈s} kernel n: split by `Finset.sum_le_sum`... the clean decomposition: ∑_{n∈s} k n ≤ ∑_{n∈s∩range N} k n + ∑_{n∈s'} — ugh. Alternatively: for finite s: ∑_{n∈s} k n ≤ ∑_{n∈range N} k n + ∑_{n∈s, n≥N} k n: via Finset.sum_subset... : s = (s ∩ range N) ∪ (s ∩ (range N)ᶜ): sum_union... The bound: head-part ≤ ∑_{range N} (sum_subset: s∩range N ⊆ range N, nonneg terms) ≤ (1+log N)/A (hhead); tail-part: ∑_{n∈s∩(range N)ᶜ} k n ≤ ∑' n, k (n+N) [via sum_le_tsum with the shift reindex: ∑_{n ∈ s∩(range N)ᶜ} k n = ∑_{m ∈ image} k (m+N)... reindex n = m+N: the image under (·−N)... ugh.
Simpler: the tail finite part ≤ ∑' n, k(n+N) directly: the map n ↦ n−N on {n ≥ N}: ∑_{n ∈ s, n ≥ N} k n = ∑_{m ∈ s'} k (m+N) with s' := (s.filter (N ≤ ·)).image (·−N): = (s.filter (N ≤ ·)).image (fun n => n − N) — card-preserving reindex... then ≤ ∑' m, k(m+N) by sum_le_tsum. The reindex: `Finset.sum_image` with injOn (n ↦ n−N on {≥ N} ✓ injective). ~15 lines.
Honestly — all of this is heavier than fixing the rewrite. Let me try ONE more diagnostic: in the probe file, reproduce the EXACT goal + `exact h.symm` to see if it closes in isolation:
probe:
```
example {A : ℝ} {N : ℕ} (hker_summ : Summable (fun n : ℕ => (((n : ℝ) + 1) * (A + (n : ℝ) + 1))⁻¹)) :
(∑' n : ℕ, (((n : ℝ) + 1) * (A + (n : ℝ) + 1))⁻¹)
= ∑ n ∈ Finset.range N, (((n : ℝ) + 1) * (A + (n : ℝ) + 1))⁻¹
+ ∑' n : ℕ, ((((n + N : ℕ) : ℝ) + 1) * (A + ((n + N : ℕ) : ℝ) + 1))⁻¹) := by
exact (hker_summ.sum_add_tsum_nat_add N).symm
```
If this closes in the probe, the problem is the `set` context in the real file (A and N as local defs with bodies). The `set` might cause hker_summ's type to display A but... hmm — actually WAIT. I wonder if the problem is that in the real file, `A` is introduced by `set A := w.re with hA_def` where hA_def : A = w.re — set replaces w.re by A in the GOAL — but hker_summ is a HAVE I wrote with the A-name — fine. BUT the hsplit GOAL's `A` and hker_summ's `A` are the same local variable ✓.
Hmm — unless `set A := w.re` ALSO affects hsplit's elaboration: my hsplit statement contains `A` — the local variable ✓.
Test the probe.
Let me test the exact split in isolation to isolate the context effect.
tool: Write ok
input
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"file_path": "D:\\Python\\Quantum\\research\\lean\\NguyenRH1\\Probe.lean",
"content": "/- probe 2: exact split in isolation, then with set-context -/\nimport Mathlib\n\nopen BigOperators\n\nexample {A : \u211d} {N : \u2115} (hker_summ : Summable (fun n : \u2115 => (((n : \u211d) + 1) * (A + (n : \u211d) + 1))\u207b\u00b9)) :\n (\u2211' n : \u2115, (((n : \u211d) + 1) * (A + (n : \u211d) + 1))\u207b\u00b9)\n = \u2211 n \u2208 Finset.range N, (((n : \u211d) + 1) * (A + (n : \u211d) + 1))\u207b\u00b9\n + \u2211' n : \u2115, ((((n + N : \u2115) : \u211d) + 1) * (A + ((n + N : \u2115) : \u211d) + 1))\u207b\u00b9) := by\n exact (hker_summ.sum_add_tsum_nat_add N).symm\n"
}
result 2026-08-23 10:09:47Z → 2026-08-23 10:09:47Z
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"- have h := hker_summ.sum_add_tsum_nat_add N",
"- -- print the type of h",
"- trace_state",
"- trivial",
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But `hker_summ.sum_add_tsum_nat_add N` — the N argument — is the set-bound local def N — and the lemma produces the split at k := N — and h's finite sum is over range N with N the local def... and the GOAL's N — the same local def ✓.\n\nYou know what — let me stop fighting this specific rewrite and prove the split DIFFERENTLY — via `Summable.tsum_eq_add_tsum_...`? or bypass entirely using the dominated approach: the inequality I actually need. Alternative split-free route to hkernel_bound:\n\n∑' kernel ≤ (2 + log(A+1))/A — prove via: ∑' kernel = sup of partial sums (nonneg series): `tsum_le_of_sum_range_le`?? or `tsum_le_of_sum_le (hf : 0 ≤ f) (h : ∀ s : Finset ℕ, ∑ i ∈ s, f i ≤ c) : ∑' i, f i ≤ c`? — `tsum_le_of_sum_le` exists? There's `Summable.tsum_le_of_sum_le`? hmm — for nonneg f: ∑' f = sup over finite sums — lemmas: `tsum_le_of_sum_le (hf : Summable f) (h : ∀ s, ∑ i ∈ s, f i ≤ c)`? something like `Summable.tsum_le_of_sum_le`. If I bound EVERY finite partial sum: ∑_{n ∈ s} kernel n ≤ (1 + log(A+1))/A + 1/A?? — the finite set s ⊂ ℕ: split s into s ∩ [0,N) and s ∩ [N,∞): the head ≤ ∑_{n<N} kernel ≤ (1+log N)/A (hhead) ✓; the tail over s ∩ [N,∞): ≤ ∑'_{n≥N} ≤ 1/N (the telescope tsum bound — via the tail htail which itself doesn't need hsplit — htail bounds the tsum of the shifted... hmm htail's statement IS about ∑' shifted — its proof used tsum_le_tsum directly (no hsplit) ✓. So:\n∑_{n∈s} kernel n = ∑_{s∩[0,N)} + ∑_{s∩[N,∞)} ≤ hhead-bound + htail-tail... the finite tail ≤ the infinite tail tsum: `sum_le_tsum (s : Finset) (hf : ∀ n ∉ s, 0 ≤ f n) (hg : Summable f) : ∑ n ∈ s, f n ≤ ∑' n, f n` ✓ EXISTS (sum_le_tsum). So:\n```\n have hkernel_bound : ... := by\n -- ∑' kernel ≤ via partial sums\n refine (hker_summ.tsum_le_of_sum_le'??)...\n```\nHmm — `tsum_le_of_sum_le`: `theorem tsum_le_of_sum_le (hf : Summable f) (h : ∀ s : Finset ι, ∑ i ∈ s, f i ≤ c) : ∑' i, f i ≤ c` — I believe `tsum_le_of_sum_le` exists (Topology/Algebra/InfiniteSum/Order.lean). Then for each finite s: ∑_{n∈s} kernel n: split by `Finset.sum_le_sum`... the clean decomposition: ∑_{n∈s} k n ≤ ∑_{n∈s∩range N} k n + ∑_{n∈s'} — ugh. Alternatively: for finite s: ∑_{n∈s} k n ≤ ∑_{n∈range N} k n + ∑_{n∈s, n≥N} k n: via Finset.sum_subset... : s = (s ∩ range N) ∪ (s ∩ (range N)ᶜ): sum_union... The bound: head-part ≤ ∑_{range N} (sum_subset: s∩range N ⊆ range N, nonneg terms) ≤ (1+log N)/A (hhead); tail-part: ∑_{n∈s∩(range N)ᶜ} k n ≤ ∑' n, k (n+N) [via sum_le_tsum with the shift reindex: ∑_{n ∈ s∩(range N)ᶜ} k n = ∑_{m ∈ image} k (m+N)... reindex n = m+N: the image under (·−N)... ugh.\n\nSimpler: the tail finite part ≤ ∑' n, k(n+N) directly: the map n ↦ n−N on {n ≥ N}: ∑_{n ∈ s, n ≥ N} k n = ∑_{m ∈ s'} k (m+N) with s' := (s.filter (N ≤ ·)).image (·−N): = (s.filter (N ≤ ·)).image (fun n => n − N) — card-preserving reindex... then ≤ ∑' m, k(m+N) by sum_le_tsum. The reindex: `Finset.sum_image` with injOn (n ↦ n−N on {≥ N} ✓ injective). ~15 lines.\n\nHonestly — all of this is heavier than fixing the rewrite. Let me try ONE more diagnostic: in the probe file, reproduce the EXACT goal + `exact h.symm` to see if it closes in isolation:\n\nprobe:\n```\nexample {A : ℝ} {N : ℕ} (hker_summ : Summable (fun n : ℕ => (((n : ℝ) + 1) * (A + (n : ℝ) + 1))⁻¹)) :\n (∑' n : ℕ, (((n : ℝ) + 1) * (A + (n : ℝ) + 1))⁻¹)\n = ∑ n ∈ Finset.range N, (((n : ℝ) + 1) * (A + (n : ℝ) + 1))⁻¹\n + ∑' n : ℕ, ((((n + N : ℕ) : ℝ) + 1) * (A + ((n + N : ℕ) : ℝ) + 1))⁻¹) := by\n exact (hker_summ.sum_add_tsum_nat_add N).symm\n```\nIf this closes in the probe, the problem is the `set` context in the real file (A and N as local defs with bodies). The `set` might cause hker_summ's type to display A but... hmm — actually WAIT. I wonder if the problem is that in the real file, `A` is introduced by `set A := w.re with hA_def` where hA_def : A = w.re — set replaces w.re by A in the GOAL — but hker_summ is a HAVE I wrote with the A-name — fine. BUT the hsplit GOAL's `A` and hker_summ's `A` are the same local variable ✓.\n\nHmm — unless `set A := w.re` ALSO affects hsplit's elaboration: my hsplit statement contains `A` — the local variable ✓.\n\nTest the probe.","signature":""},{"type":"text","text":"Let me test the exact split in isolation to isolate the context effect."},{"type":"tool_use","id":"Write_346","name":"Write","input":{"file_path":"D:\\Python\\Quantum\\research\\lean\\NguyenRH1\\Probe.lean","content":"/- probe 2: exact split in isolation, then with set-context -/\nimport Mathlib\n\nopen BigOperators\n\nexample {A : ℝ} {N : ℕ} (hker_summ : Summable (fun n : ℕ => (((n : ℝ) + 1) * (A + (n : ℝ) + 1))⁻¹)) :\n (∑' n : ℕ, (((n : ℝ) + 1) * (A + (n : ℝ) + 1))⁻¹)\n = ∑ n ∈ Finset.range N, (((n : ℝ) + 1) * (A + (n : ℝ) + 1))⁻¹\n + ∑' n : ℕ, ((((n + N : ℕ) : ℝ) + 1) * (A + ((n + N : ℕ) : ℝ) + 1))⁻¹) := by\n exact (hker_summ.sum_add_tsum_nat_add N).symm\n"},"extra_content":null}]